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Anything other than HTML+CSS is time wasting junk
Simplicity is the best graphic design
Perhaps, but the end user enjoys flashy graphics and animations, combined withe ease of use and no lag you have a good product, and happy users.
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No lag... if you can pull that off I've got a million dollars waiting for you, in the same vault with the million for the O(n)-complexity sorting algorithm.
How old is your computer?
Sounds like a disagreement between both parties on how much lag is "no" lag.
And I don't think those two things are anywhere near the same level of difficulty, tummychow.
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It's not that my computer is old. It's just that too much flash causes lag. Period.
Too much of anything causes lag.
And you're right, the O(n) should be about a billion.
Anybody laying claim to that?
the end user enjoys flashy graphics and animations
I am an end user and I don't like them. I hate flashy graphics in a web page. I want good contents, not distracting colors
Anything other than HTML+CSS is time wasting junk
Simplicity is the best graphic design

Well, most browsers also support Javascript natively. There's also PHP, ASP, Python, Perl, etc.

I am an end user and I don't like them. I hate flashy graphics in a web page. I want good contents, not distracting colors

So do I. And another thing that REALLY annoys me is custom cursors, custom scrollbars, etc.

Perhaps, but the end user enjoys flashy graphics and animations, combined withe ease of use and no lag you have a good product, and happy users.

I'm also an end-user, and I also don't like them.

no lag

Lag is caused by out-of-order packets sent in e.g. online games that use UDP instead of a TCP/IP stream to send data because it's faster. Unless you're referring to latency...
Well we are programmers, talk to your non-programmer half-decent computer-using friends.
I have done, trust me. In fact, I'm the only programmer I know in real life. All the smart ones (and some of the less-smart ones) agree, flash is for embedded videos, games and occasional effects. Not for making whole pages in, or embedding large animations.
I still dis-agree.
chrisname + 1

DrChill maybe have a very fast computer and internet connection, that's why..
Look at a neat and simple page like this, or the Google index page (look at it, seriously, it's a text box, some buttons, some links, a single image and a few lines (occasionally) of text. And it's the most visited page on the 'net. Doesn't that tell you something?) and tell me that the simple, clear, well-thought out and yet still somewhat aesthetically-pleasing design isn't as good as something like this: http://raidmax.com/
Admittedly, I like that website (it's like flash done... well, not "right", because flash can't be done right, but "almost right"). But it takes far too long to load.

I have a fast computer, and a 2 Mib (that's Mebibit, not Mebibyte) connection.
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Hold on a second. I have a decent computer and a fast connection, but I still think Flash and all the rest of that Web 2.0 crap is usually unnecessary and annoying.
I have 2 1/2 gigabytes of RAM (DDR2) and it is on a laptop(although I plan on getting another gigabyte later). Although my laptop is a media laptop.
i hate seeing obama on flash ads!
I have 2 1/2 gigabytes of RAM (DDR2)

Hah! I have 2 GiB of RAM (DDR3) at 1333MHz. And that's before I overclock it.

I just don't have a motherboard to put it in. In fact, by the time I've gathered enough money for one, most of the parts will be almost out of warranty and might not even work. They should work for years, but who knows what goes on inside those heatspreaders...

I have Dual Data Rate 3, not Dual Data Rate 2, Dual Data Rate 3. Ha, ha, ha, ha. (guess who that is correctly, and I'll give you a cookie. Hints:
1. "I aint gonna let these goddamn vampires beat me"
2. A modification made by Gary, synonym for a stupid person, something you store things in (often made of card board) and the number five.

Make a sentence out of the second hint, youtube search the resultant sentence, and listen for hint 1 in the video you find. The character who is quoted attacks the answer to this question.

If you can do that, you get a cookie.)
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I hate right clicking in flash :@
Oh man, yeah! Because if you try to uncheck "play" it doesn't work! So you have to have this crappy flash animation draining your CPU's resources! In Linux, flash takes up an obscene amount of CPU usage (because adobe couldn't be bothered to make a decent flash plugin, no doubt). But I can't turn the damn thing off, so I'm sitting there with 30% of CPU time going to firefox alone.
If you're using firefox there must be extensions to block flash controls. You can get something like adblock. That can block nearly anything.
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