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Actually, that wasn't my gospel (you forget SIK asked me the same thing).
I said God created everything and if you find an alien (which you probably won't because of time or because it may not exist), it won't do anything but magnify God's power.
I said God created everything and if you find an alien (which you probably won't because of time or because it may not exist), it won't do anything but magnify God's power.
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Stormboy please read. Christ was human before the resurrection. God cannot die. God = God the father + God the Son + God the Holy Spirit. The only logic i know is that i can do all things through Christ. If you people claim to know philosophy, then i believe that it is the 'wrongest' thing i've ever heard of. |
OK so Christ was a human and then he died and then he was resurrected and then he became God...that's amazing. Who gave him his godly powers?
I'm interpreting your
| God = God the father + God the Son + God the Holy Spirit. |
God is the sum of 3 beings: God the father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit. Therefore, God is the sum of 3 Gods, according to your equation.
You say God cannot die, and Christ is your God. Yet he died. Nathan222, first fix your logic. I did read your posts. You keep on changing your statements in your favour. Definitions cannot be changed; you seem to be doing that as NoXzema has pointed out.
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| You keep on changing your statements in your favour. |
If only someone could have warned us about his behavior.
@ BHX Specter: Actually, I remember you warning us. Should have taken it more seriously ;).
Stormboy said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_change
Your move.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_change
Your move.
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| why do you worship Jesus instead of worshiping God himself? |
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| I worship Christ because He is God. |
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| Wow, so does God die too? |
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| Can a human being not die? Christ was human, God is not. |
Now read this carefully:
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| Christ because He is God. |
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| Christ was human, God is not. |
You are saying Christ is God. Then you say that Christ was human and God is not. So that must mean that there is someone else who is God?
All right, so you first claim that Christ is God. Then when I ask about a point you change your point to that Christ is a human. Then when I question you again, you further change your statement to:
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| Christ was human before the resurrection. God cannot die. |
How can a human die and become God?
According to what Christians say "Christ is the son of God", and you say he is God, then you say human, then again God...I mean seriously WTF? I don't understand you...I'm probably wasting my time.
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Human nature has two extraordinarily big flaws:
- We don't like to hear things we don't agree with.
- We don't like to change traditions we've done for most of our life.
Overcoming these hurdles is very difficult, but are necessary if you want to be a scientist. Science demands you follow the evidence wherever it goes, even if you don't like the path it puts you on. It also demands you be able to change your ideas of what is and isn't real based on your discoveries.
If scientists were not willing to do this, we would still be stuck in the dark ages, thinking Earth was the stationary center of the solar system. Thinking that bleeding people was an effective means to cure their disease. Thinking that drilling holes in people's heads was a treatment for migraines.
Fortunately, some great people in our history have moved beyond those hurdles, and have discovered great things which have allowed for tremendous advancements to our society. The technology created from scientific discovery is positively mind-blowing. We now live in a society where a large portion of people have their own cell phone. I don't know if you realize just how remarkable cell phones are.. or the technology that goes into them.
Even things we take for granted, like cars, the buildings we live and work in, electricity, plumbing, shoes, soap, the means by which we get our food, etc. The list just goes on and on and on. Every single aspect of your life has been influenced by science in some way.
Science has proven itself again, and again, and again, and again. And while it might not always get things 100% correct, it gets them correct enough to where we are able to manipulate things to our favor. To where we can put the information we gained to good use.
So when I see people reject scientific findings solely because it explains something they disagree with... or because it goes against a tradition they've done their entire life... I die a little inside. Science has such a stellar track record of improving soceity en mass, yet these people insist scientists are just making shit up and trying to sell it. People that think like this are a poison.. they hold the rest of us back.
These people get outraged at a concept they don't even understand. Of all the people I've spoken to about biological evolution that argued against it....none of them knew anything about it... yet they insisted it was wrong. Despite the overwhelming mountain of evidence to support it.
Ordinarily I wouldn't care. If you want to live in a bubble where you substitute reality with your own ideals, that's fine. But since there are so many people that do this... we are being disallowed from even teaching this topic in schools. Ensuring that future generations grow up ignorant. These people are preventing us from growing. They're driving us to be stupid.
I know I will never sway SuperDude or Nathan. They are too far gone into their bubble of tradition and warm/fuzzy ideals. But seeing this happen yet again just makes me extremely depressed.
- We don't like to hear things we don't agree with.
- We don't like to change traditions we've done for most of our life.
Overcoming these hurdles is very difficult, but are necessary if you want to be a scientist. Science demands you follow the evidence wherever it goes, even if you don't like the path it puts you on. It also demands you be able to change your ideas of what is and isn't real based on your discoveries.
If scientists were not willing to do this, we would still be stuck in the dark ages, thinking Earth was the stationary center of the solar system. Thinking that bleeding people was an effective means to cure their disease. Thinking that drilling holes in people's heads was a treatment for migraines.
Fortunately, some great people in our history have moved beyond those hurdles, and have discovered great things which have allowed for tremendous advancements to our society. The technology created from scientific discovery is positively mind-blowing. We now live in a society where a large portion of people have their own cell phone. I don't know if you realize just how remarkable cell phones are.. or the technology that goes into them.
Even things we take for granted, like cars, the buildings we live and work in, electricity, plumbing, shoes, soap, the means by which we get our food, etc. The list just goes on and on and on. Every single aspect of your life has been influenced by science in some way.
Science has proven itself again, and again, and again, and again. And while it might not always get things 100% correct, it gets them correct enough to where we are able to manipulate things to our favor. To where we can put the information we gained to good use.
So when I see people reject scientific findings solely because it explains something they disagree with... or because it goes against a tradition they've done their entire life... I die a little inside. Science has such a stellar track record of improving soceity en mass, yet these people insist scientists are just making shit up and trying to sell it. People that think like this are a poison.. they hold the rest of us back.
These people get outraged at a concept they don't even understand. Of all the people I've spoken to about biological evolution that argued against it....none of them knew anything about it... yet they insisted it was wrong. Despite the overwhelming mountain of evidence to support it.
Ordinarily I wouldn't care. If you want to live in a bubble where you substitute reality with your own ideals, that's fine. But since there are so many people that do this... we are being disallowed from even teaching this topic in schools. Ensuring that future generations grow up ignorant. These people are preventing us from growing. They're driving us to be stupid.
I know I will never sway SuperDude or Nathan. They are too far gone into their bubble of tradition and warm/fuzzy ideals. But seeing this happen yet again just makes me extremely depressed.
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Belief in God is faltered and solidified by one thing. According to religion, when you die, you either go to Heaven (or the religion's equivalent) or Hell (or the religion's equivalent). Ghosts, if they really do exist like so many claim, then it proves there is an afterlife (+1 for God), but if there are ghosts on earth then why didn't they go to Heaven or Hell (-1 for God). Does that mean Earth is Hell?
@ BHX Specter: As much as I'd hate to argue with you, Ghosts doesn't exist. Its actually the 'demons' that people see which they think are 'ghosts'. And demons are real btw ;).
There is zero evidence to support the existence of either Ghosts or Demons.
EDIT: http://xkcd.com/1235/
EDIT: http://xkcd.com/1235/
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@Disch - Best post ever.
Although it's unfortunate you can write a post like that at all. =/
Although it's unfortunate you can write a post like that at all. =/
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"In the beginning was the word and the word was God, and the Word was God" John 1:1
"And the word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth" John 1:14
"I and my Father are one" John 10:30
"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am " John 8:58
"If ye had known Me, ye should have known my Father also". John 14:7
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him shalt not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16
"And God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness". Gen 1:26
"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.. They are corrupt" Psalm 14:1
"Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents" Romans 1:30
I find it odd that you can't see what's looking at you.
So, have you ever, for once, ever tried to really read and understand the bible?
"And the word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth" John 1:14
"I and my Father are one" John 10:30
"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am " John 8:58
"If ye had known Me, ye should have known my Father also". John 14:7
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him shalt not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16
"And God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness". Gen 1:26
"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.. They are corrupt" Psalm 14:1
"Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents" Romans 1:30
I find it odd that you can't see what's looking at you.
So, have you ever, for once, ever tried to really read and understand the bible?
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“Simplicity, patience, compassion.
These three are your greatest treasures.
Simple in actions and thoughts, you return to the source of being.
Patient with both friends and enemies,
you accord with the way things are.
Compassionate toward yourself,
you reconcile all beings in the world.”
― Laozi, Tao Te Ching
These three are your greatest treasures.
Simple in actions and thoughts, you return to the source of being.
Patient with both friends and enemies,
you accord with the way things are.
Compassionate toward yourself,
you reconcile all beings in the world.”
― Laozi, Tao Te Ching
Nathan222,
I've never read the bible,
Never will,
Never need to.
Edit: @ Disch: Lol, nothing about demons there + demons can't be caught on camera.
I've never read the bible,
Never will,
Never need to.
Edit: @ Disch: Lol, nothing about demons there + demons can't be caught on camera.
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You are so far gone in a scientific tunnel.
Disch, do you, yourself, i.e. you, believe that if evidence was presented before you for the existence of God, that you, i mean you, will think that you, will believe the evidence?
Disch, do you, yourself, i.e. you, believe that if evidence was presented before you for the existence of God, that you, i mean you, will think that you, will believe the evidence?
@Disch
Notice I did state "if they really do exist like so many claim". My wife is Christian, me, I personally think ghosts, God, devil, angels, and demons are just self interest ideals made up by man to give comfort to themselves when life ends and a place to put blame in order to ease guilt.
Notice I did state "if they really do exist like so many claim". My wife is Christian, me, I personally think ghosts, God, devil, angels, and demons are just self interest ideals made up by man to give comfort to themselves when life ends and a place to put blame in order to ease guilt.
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| So, have you ever, for once, ever tried to really read and understand the bible? |
Yes. In fact... I did for a bit earlier in this thread. Like 4 pages ago. But that was not the only time in my life. My parents were Jehova's Witnesses until I was about 9. My friends were Catholic and took me to their church sometimes. I genuinely believed in God and was religious until I got into my teens.
I can promise you, I know more about the Bible and Christianity than you know about evolution or the origins of the universe.
| You are so far gone in a scientific tunnel. |
There is no such thing as a scientific tunnel. Science demands you question everything and only accept things that are reproducible and proven.
If there isn't evidence to support it.... if you can't repeat a test over and over and get the same results.... then science will not accept it. Neither will I.
| Disch, do you, yourself, i.e. you, believe that if evidence was presented before you for the existence of God, that you, i mean you, will think that you, will believe the evidence? |
Yes. If you could somehow prove to me that God exists, I would re-evaluate a lot of things.
Note, however, that the Bible is merely a 2000 year old book and does not qualify as proof because there is no way to verify/reproduce anything in it. I'll need something more substantive.
By "proof", I mean proof. I will demand the same level of proof from you that I demand from science. "I read it in a book" is not acceptable as proof for science... so it is not acceptable proof for the existence of God.
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| Nathan222, I've never read the bible, Never will, Never need to. |
I don't encourage this, either. This is the same problem, only from the other end of the spectrum.
Learning new things is nothing but a benefit. Reading the Bible can give you tremendous insight into a lot of things... if nothing else, the psychology of the people who follow it.
Never deny yourself eduction just on principle.
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Disch said:
This criticism really isn't fair to ancient doctors. I've always thought of it this way; what if the most common cause of disease in my little town was what we know today to be lead poisoning because, I don't know, maybe they were adding it to their food as a flavoring agent. It may have at some point been noticed that when you bleed someone and let them rest in bed, they soon get better. This stands to reason even with our current knowledge of medicine because it would, ideally, reduce the over all volume of lead in the persons blood stream to a less then lethal dose. Also, recovering from hypovolemia is much easier to do then recovering from organ failure. How much longer do you think it will be before we see Chemotherapy as being barbaric and a result of backwards thinking? Yet how many people owe their lives to this practice?
My intention is not to go off on a tangent here, I wanted to point out that you are crediting science for debunking ideas that came about because of the search for truth. You are mentioning these great scientific people who have done so much for mankind with their discoveries. Let's name a few of them shall we? Sir Issac Newton is remembered for making some of the earliest observations about physics, have you happened to read translations of some of his other work? Albert Einstein, this man was not required to leave Germany because of his hairdo. You could argue that Thomas Edison was an atheist, go ahead, but first tell me what he himself actually discovered. Otherwise no one will stop you from claiming America's first patent troll as a point in your column.
Most Theists do not reject evolution, only the loudest ones happen to do that. I'm not Catholic and I can tell you that even the Vatican has excepted evolution as a valid train of thought. The only argument that remains is the control mechanism for it. You can tell me that we evolved from a chemical soup and I will agree with you but you cannot convince me that it was entirely random. We have found a few dozen evolutionary dead ends but there should be millions of them if our development really came about the way you say it did. What about the beneficial traits that failed to follow us down the evolutionary road? There are sub-species of Homo Sapiens (I cannot remember what they are called right now) that we interbred with and eradicated who had better eye sight then us. You would think that the hybrids of the two who inherited both the better eye-sight and the cognitive ability to make tools, who cooperated instead of fought giving them a numerical advantage as well, would have dominated the other two but our research shows that this wasn't the case.
The belief in a higher power has come from every corner of the world, granted in different forms but for a similar reason. If you choose to think that the only reason was to control the masses then I'm the one who will die a little inside.
| Thinking that bleeding people was an effective means to cure their disease. |
This criticism really isn't fair to ancient doctors. I've always thought of it this way; what if the most common cause of disease in my little town was what we know today to be lead poisoning because, I don't know, maybe they were adding it to their food as a flavoring agent. It may have at some point been noticed that when you bleed someone and let them rest in bed, they soon get better. This stands to reason even with our current knowledge of medicine because it would, ideally, reduce the over all volume of lead in the persons blood stream to a less then lethal dose. Also, recovering from hypovolemia is much easier to do then recovering from organ failure. How much longer do you think it will be before we see Chemotherapy as being barbaric and a result of backwards thinking? Yet how many people owe their lives to this practice?
My intention is not to go off on a tangent here, I wanted to point out that you are crediting science for debunking ideas that came about because of the search for truth. You are mentioning these great scientific people who have done so much for mankind with their discoveries. Let's name a few of them shall we? Sir Issac Newton is remembered for making some of the earliest observations about physics, have you happened to read translations of some of his other work? Albert Einstein, this man was not required to leave Germany because of his hairdo. You could argue that Thomas Edison was an atheist, go ahead, but first tell me what he himself actually discovered. Otherwise no one will stop you from claiming America's first patent troll as a point in your column.
Most Theists do not reject evolution, only the loudest ones happen to do that. I'm not Catholic and I can tell you that even the Vatican has excepted evolution as a valid train of thought. The only argument that remains is the control mechanism for it. You can tell me that we evolved from a chemical soup and I will agree with you but you cannot convince me that it was entirely random. We have found a few dozen evolutionary dead ends but there should be millions of them if our development really came about the way you say it did. What about the beneficial traits that failed to follow us down the evolutionary road? There are sub-species of Homo Sapiens (I cannot remember what they are called right now) that we interbred with and eradicated who had better eye sight then us. You would think that the hybrids of the two who inherited both the better eye-sight and the cognitive ability to make tools, who cooperated instead of fought giving them a numerical advantage as well, would have dominated the other two but our research shows that this wasn't the case.
The belief in a higher power has come from every corner of the world, granted in different forms but for a similar reason. If you choose to think that the only reason was to control the masses then I'm the one who will die a little inside.
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